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Airport Security: Explain This

So, I'm flying to the Ajax Experience, from the UK, via Frankfurt to Boston and I'd like to avoid the delays and the lottery associated with hold luggage, so I'm trying to travel carry-on.

I'm well aware that all liquids recently became potentially explosive, so I prepared; I left my toothpaste behind, and bought some more in the airport duty-free having already gone through security.

BUT in Frankfurt, having flown once already with my newly purchased bomb toothpaste, I was stopped. My toothpaste was a risk to the second flight! The toothpaste was safe for the first flight, but I guess they had no way to be sure that the toothpaste had already flown and therefore been checked already - I could have walked out of the security checked zone, and couldn't be trusted to have picked-up the non-explosive sort of toothpaste.

But here's where it gets strange. It appears that explosive toothpaste suddenly becomes safe if placed in a clear plastic bag. The first security guard guarded my things while another security guard escorted me back through security to the bag zone to collect the plastic bomb disposal device. They then placed my toothpaste, complete with it's neutralizing device, back in my bag, exactly where it was before, and allowed me to carry on.

I jest not. Plastic bags are supposed to defuse explosive toothpaste.

I wonder if it became explosive again when I removed it from the bag?

This got me thinking: What else can be made safe just by placing it in a clear bag? Clearly I've got body parts that fit into that category, and next time I take up smoking I'll remember to filter the nicotine through plastic to save me getting lung cancer.

Maybe the tin-foil hat brigade have got it wrong? What they need is a plastic bag to keep their heads safe. And this makes something else fit into place - all supermarket plastic bags have written on them 'Do not place on head'. Clearly the supermarkets are in on the conspiracy to keep us from adequately protecting ourselves.

My guess is that the plastic bag is supposed to be some sort of a marker to say "we've checked this", but since it's so easy to remove stuff from the bag, I don't see how this can work properly either.

Does anyone get the point behind this security measure?

Update: On the way home I think I worked out what it was all about.

I was supposed to arrive at the security desk with all gels/liquids in a plastic bag. The bag would then act as a declaration of potentially dangerous items. Liquids/gels outide of the bag could then be assumed to be 'hidden' dangerous items, which would make them extra dangerous.

So when German security started giving un-bagged toothpaste a free upgrade out of the 'hidden' category, it effectively made a nonsense of the bag rule. Not that the bag rule was sensible to start off with. In fact I expect that the Germans were giving out the free upgrades because the rules were so stupid in the first place.

I flew to Sweden recently and had all sorts of checks for illegal toothpaste flying out of Stansted, but nothing at all on my return. The Swedes had obviously decided that the rules were so stupid that they would totally ignore them.

So why do we have the liquid rules? Can it be true that the US and the UK know something about liquid explosive that that other countries don't, and despite the obvious risk to inbound flights, they're not telling?

Or maybe someone made a knee-jerk reaction to a sensationalist press story fueled by the hype of the war on terror, and now we're teaching the world to ignore our security policies to avoid having to admit that we were wrong.

Update: In the comments someone linked to this YouTube video that is about the same thing.



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Haha, that's just hilarious!

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I have a heart condition and require a CPAP machine to help me breathe during the night. EVERYTIME I go through security I get stopped and checked, apparently they have a rule that says they have to stop people who can’t breathe. Last time they said that my CPAP machine tested positive for explosives (I have never touched anything more powerful than a firecracker 25 years ago). Then they said, in a loud voice, “Do you have a heart problem. Do you take heart medicines?” I told her it was none of her damn business, and certainly not the business of the folks standing around me. I was embarrassed. Then I was dumbfounded. If these machines cannot tell the difference between heart medicine and TNT we are in bigger trouble than I thought.

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I think they put your toothpaste into the bag and then planned to store it away in their closet, all they way while taking you hostage^Wto prison for transporting explosive devices. Guess they must have changed their minds and decided to let you keep the bag for good.

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Haha, human being intelligence is a wonderful thing.

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Just so you'll be prepared at your next visit; Sweden joined the anti-liquid club on November 6, apparently due to a European union regulation.

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I witnessed a somewhat similar airport security experience when flying home from Savannah, Georgia. As we passed through the security checkpoint I noticed a small plastic bin sitting next to the wall just behind the x-ray machine. In it were a pile of items that didn't make it through the security checkpoint including several bottles of wine. Apparently, bombs disguised as a bottle of wine will be defused by placing them in this container. Otherwise, some nefarious person could attempt to carry a few bottles of wine through the checkpoint, which would be then confiscated by TSA and put in the plastic bin. The wine bomber could the proceed through the checkpoint, then go back out and exit the terminal, hail a cab, get in, and as he starts to drive away, detonate the wine bottles, not only blowing up dozens of passengers waiting the long security checkpoint lines due to some of them trying to bring in a tube of toothpaste through that isn't in a plastic bag, but also take out a good portion of those that are tasked with providing airport security.

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beyond absurd, so to say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzoKPJU3Wp4

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So, let me explain. The purpose of the tiny plastic bag: To make it easier to check all the liquids. It'd be a lot harder and slower to take all the liquids out from your suitcase one by one. And it's easier to control the amount of the liquids as well, if they'll have to fit comfortably inside the one litre bag. Stupid rule, yeah, I do concur with that. Imagine what it's like to get paid for putting toothpaste inside a plastic bag ;)

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right the reason for the plastic back is to limit the amount of liquids u can take, apparently the amount u can fit in to the plastic bag (about 500-600ml) is not enough to damage a plane if it was liquids, yes it is stupid that all the liquids get chucked in to a bin where if they were explosives they would cause a load of damage to the airport building, the security staff and the passangers cueing...but it wouldnt bring down a plane and thats what the restrictions are there for!

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ok, well this is slightly off the point from the fluid and liquid situation in airports, but i was wondering if somebody would be able to explain this... this christmas i went to Miami with my family, and when we were going back through the airport security to england, we had to join a queue before the scanners. ahead of us were two conveyor belt scanners for our hand luggage, and one screen scanner for pasengers to stand in, and be blasted with air, which was detecting and testing for bombs etc. at the end of the queue it divided into two. in one direction passengers put their luggage on th conveyor belt and went through. on the other, luggage wouldbe scanned and passengers went through the screen. it was quite obvious that passengers could choose which direction to take. this is the bit that scares me... surely if you were carrying explosives on you, you would choose to go in the direction with only a baggage scanner....essentially making the bomb screen completely pointless!! my mum picked up on this and asked a security guard on the other side and his reply was simpy..."they are very expensive madaam, we cant afford two", and laughed! well what is the point in the on then!! very scary stuff seen as America is suppose to be so high on security!

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It is about time these rules were looked at and modified.A bottle spirits (rum)sealed from west indies)probably already passed through england to gibraltar into spain and then confiscated at malaga.Very Very strange thing to do i think les

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When I traveled to Germany over the summer, I encountered similar occurrences to Walker’s. I entered the airport, checked my luggage, and headed towards security. As I walked towards security, I heard security saying, “take off your shoes, empty your pockets, and walk through.” So I placed my things on the conveyor belt, and did what I was told. Once that was over I was ready to get my things and move on. But when I went to get my things, I could tell a lady was just waiting to ask me twenty questions. She gave me a long speech about how all my liquids were not in a clear, plastic bag. She told me that the liquids outside the bag could not be taken past this point, which was ridiculous because if they were in any means dangerous, security would not have thrown them in a container with all the other liquids confiscated earlier that morning. The three, sealed, four ounce bottles of face medicine had to be thrown out, but my leaking, twelve ounce bottle could be taken on the plane. Obviously a leaking bottle of liquid is safer and less dangerous to be taken on a plane than a sealed bottle is. Also, bottles that appear suspicious and explosive are safe if left with security, in the airport, with thousands of people walking by. I realize the procedure of putting liquids in the bag allows security to easily check the liquids for explosive material, but security takes the plastic bag procedure overboard when a person has to be taken to the side for questioning. Airport security has been drastically trying to ensure safety for everyone who flies, but they have gone too far with the plastic bags.

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Are airport security (not customs) allowed to check your bags when your not present

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I flew from Bristol UK last week and was asked if I had any liquids. I said that I had one tube of handcream and was told to go and buy 4 plastic bags for £1 so that I could put the one tube in a sealed bag. What is the point?! Does anyone know?

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